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  From:  Locksheer   Feb-2 7:44 pm  
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Here is what I have heard as too why Jesus is not God. God cannot abide sin. Since Jesus took on the sin's of the world he cannot be God. He is the Child of God, more than that he is the perfect Child of God, and he was the sacrifice God made so we might reach heaven. 
Now John 1:1 had me convince I was wrong and Jesus is God. However that still left me with the paradox of how could God take on the Sin's of the world if he cannot abide sin. So I prayed and then found John 10:25-38. It solved the paradox, for me at least. 

Any feed back would be appreciated. I would hate to be spreading something that is wrong so please attack this post and prove me wrong because I want to know the truth.
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Feb-2 8:29 pm  
To:  Locksheer   (2 of 61)  
 
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Hi Locksheer,

 

John 1:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods (judges)?

 

Jesus is quoting Exodus 22:8 where the tribes of Israel are being given instruction in their new Government and part of the government is to Judge. The word used for god is Judge (Lit. Decision makers). To judge is one of the aspects of God specifically in capital, life and death matters. To sentence someone to death is an office and responsibility similar to the office and responsibilities of the real God.

 

The word god-judge does not make us a God there are dozens of names that God uses to refer to Himself, like Lord, Rabbi, Faithful, Alpha  Omega and many others that set God apart from humans.

 

If your are interested you can view the article Biblical Proof Jesus is God

www.BasicChristian.org/biblicalproof.html

 

God Bless you,
David A. Brown



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  From:  Locksheer   Feb-2 8:49 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (3 of 61)  
 
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I had already reviewed the document of which you speak. Most of the quote said that Jesus was filled with God. Not God himself. It left me wondering why would they say filled with God if he was God? 
  
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  From:  Locksheer   Feb-2 8:58 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (4 of 61)  
 
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Also in John 10:35 he goes on to explain, "This scripture called those people gods, the people who recieved God's message. And Scripture is always true." 
This statement was also to the Jew's attack in John 10:33 "We are not killing you for any good work you did. But you say things that are against God. You are only a man, but you say you are the same as God!" 

Also the quote is from Psalm 82:6 Where God says "I said, 'You are gods. You are all sons of the Most High God.' 



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Feb-2 9:06 pm  
To:  Locksheer   (5 of 61)  
 
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*Some of the Bible Quotes refer that Jesus Contains the Characteristics and abilities of God and therefore associate Him as God. This is necessary because Jesus is God in Human forum. When God does split open the Heavens and reveals Himself to us then it wont be necessary to explain who He is but until then He came to us in human form and therefore an explanation and clarification are necessary. 

 

It must be convenient for you to ignore and reject all of the other many Quotes that do directly call Jesus, God.

 

I guess your mind is made up that you are a god.

 

Now you have to go tell your dad that actually you are a Virgin conception and Virgin Birth, that may surprise him and on your way I recommend that as you attempt to walk on water make sure it is very shallow water and unlike Jesus dont attempt your miracles in public.

 

Other than that have fun being your own god that is until Reality does finally catch up with you and remind you that you are not God.

 

God Bless you,
David



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  From:  Locksheer   Feb-2 9:15 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (6 of 61)  
 
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WOAH pull that pony back a second. I NEVER stated I was a god. I am trying to come up with an answer onto the nature of Christ that does not contridict itself in the Bible. That is all I seek. Now if you have anything less stinging and more productive to say I would love to here it, but do not get angry with me if I see things a different way. 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Feb-2 10:36 pm  
To:  Locksheer   (7 of 61)  
 
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Looks like a little exposure and examination doesnt fit in with your O' Im so humble approach to denying that Jesus is God but proclaiming that you are.

 

You are a phony from the beginning. You are just here to cause problems but your approach of here are umpteen verses now sift through them and reach my conclusions is very funny.

 

What a joke!!

 

You are such a typical sucker who is trying to get people into your false teachings. You start out Vague then Deny everything that is presented that discredits your teaching all the while leading people on as though you have some concept.

 

Bye.

 

David

 



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Feb-2 11:15 pm  
To:  Locksheer   (8 of 61)  
 
  789.8 in reply to 789.4  
 
Psalm 82:6,7 I have said, Ye are gods (judges); and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men and fall like one of the princes.

 

Jesus did not die like a man He died for mankind. Jesus gave up the ghost you or I do not have command over our spirit and soul the way Jesus did. We cannot command our spirit and soul to stay in our bodies or to leave it. In other words you and I are not like Jesus.

 

Obviously you are mixing up many basic Christian principals and have therefore reached erroneous conclusions.

 

If Psalm 82 is your Proof Text then really you should reconsider your position.

 

David



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  From:  TOMMY9691   Feb-3 8:20 am  
To:  Locksheer   (9 of 61)  
 
  789.9 in reply to 789.1  
 
If Jesus was God, and not the Son of God, He'd have to be schizophrenic. 

In John 4, Jesus is talking to the Samaritan woman and telling her that the Father desires His people to worship Him "in Spirit and in Truth." He was not talking about Jesus to be worshiped - but the Father. God IS the Father; Jesus is the Son. 

How hard is that? 

Blessings, 

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Feb-3 8:41 am  
To:  TOMMY9691   (10 of 61)  
 
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Hi,

 

Another one who can speak with authority that Jesus is not God and then you call that Blessings.

 

Very sick!

 

If Jesus is not God then your sins are not forgiven and you have eternal death and not eternal life.

 

Keep your Blessings they are a Curse and Not a Blessing!

 

I will Gladly Keep Jesus as He is God just as the Bible is Very Clear that He is even though you hacks ignore the Divine aspect of Jesus and use the fact that God manifested into humanity For Us against Him. Very cruel.

 

And Duh: The Bible says that the Holy Spirit brought Jesus into the world via Mary so wouldnt that make the Holy Spirit the Father and not the Father in your reasoning. However Jesus being God along with the Father and the Holy Spirit is what the Bible does teach so therefore it is totally correct that the Holy Spirit would oversee the incarnation of Jesus, because Jesus is already God! 

 

Matthew 1:20 .. the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying , Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife; for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

 

It looks like this topic is good for one thing, exposing Heretical non-Christians.

 

David

 



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  From:  TOMMY9691   Feb-3 10:05 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (11 of 61)  
 
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You're the heretical anti-christian - not me. 

What's wrong with you? All you've done is knock people! 

I'm a youth leader, and praise and worship leader at my church. You - you're deceived. 

You are one sorry excuse for a "Host." 

May the Lord rebuke you!
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Feb-3 10:14 am  
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Sorry but works do not make you right and works will never get you into heaven.

 

You must declare that Jesus is God in order to be accepted by God. There is no other way around it and again you certainly will not enter heaven by your works.

 

Now that you brought it up Im sure the forum is interested in the name of your church.

 

David



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Feb-3 10:36 am  
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  789.13 in reply to 789.12  
 
Hi,

 

I would still like to discuss the concept presented in the first post that God cannot abide with sin.

 

Of course sin is not a part of God but that is why God became physical so sin could die in the physical flesh.

 

Of first importance is that we as humans do not fully understand what sin is, what the nature and substance of sin is and how it was dealt with by God, nor do we understand who God is and what His nature is. I mean what is the substance of sin, is it like tar that if it touches God He will melt? Of course not.

 

It is wrong to conclude that humans can handle sin but that God cannot. That is saying that humans can do something that God cannot do. That is saying that humans do not need God specifically in dealing with our own sins, therefore denying the Very reason and matter that God came to us.

 

In the end it is man that does need God. We need God to take away our sins and it is only God that can take away our sins and deal with them. Therefore by every reason Jesus is indeed God!!

 

God Bless you,
David



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  From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)     Feb-3 12:15 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (14 of 61)  
 
  789.14 in reply to 789.13  
 
Very good, David!    I wonder why it is some folks believe that God 'cannot' do things, when He is the great 'I AM'--the first cause of all things.   In allowing for God to be 'limited,' we are putting ourselves above God and the knowledge He has revealed to us through His Word.   Maybe that way, we can be 'satisfied' that God isn't all He's 'cracked up to be' and continue living in denial of the Truth.   [that's what I think.]

God bless you David, as you contend with the unwise.  Let the Lord be glorified in all things.

Amy

 
 
 

 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Feb-3 12:26 pm  
To:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)    (15 of 61)  
 
  789.15 in reply to 789.14  
 
Hi Amy,

 

That is exactly my conclusion as well that certain people insist on discrediting Jesus in a feeble and unnecessary attempt to build themselves up.

 

I do think that through the tremendous grace, patience and mercy of God, as He allows them to work out their own salvation, that in time most of these people will eventually come to the saving Truth and acknowledge that Jesus and Jesus alone is the Redemption of mankind.

 

God Bless you Always,
David



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  From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)     Feb-3 12:37 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (16 of 61)  
 
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Yes, may the Lord have mercy on all of us as we work out our salvation to the glory of God.
 
 
 

 
  
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  From:  Abbacabba   Feb-3 1:24 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (17 of 61)  
 
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David, 
In your zeal to bash a non-Christian, you have done little to show anything near a compassionate nature. 
Even some of the major writes and commenter on Christianity and the bible have a hard time dealing with John 10:34. 

If this person was trying to find reasons to believe in the bible and its message I believe responses like yours could turn them away (easily). 

Also, just to show that we all need to watch what we post: 
Matthew 1:20 .. the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying , Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife; for that which is conceived in her is of *the* Holy Ghost. 

If you would be kind enough read through most original documents the word "the" does not appear in that sentence.. so its just conceived in her is of holy spirit. 

Remember people coming here might actually be in need of a kind word. Not a tounge lashing. 

What good would it do to be 'saved' yourself if you end up driving 100's away from God? 

Don't be so harsh.. 
What would you say in your defense if God asked why you turned someone away from his word in their time of need? 

 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Feb-3 4:28 pm  
To:  Abbacabba   (18 of 61)  
 
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Hi,

 

Thank you for your comments and concerns and they are duly noted.

 

I guess that with the given title of the topic and the original vagueness and slyness of the first post that I pushed a little harder than I normally would have to expose the real intent of the posting on this forum.

 

After all both posters are claiming to be Christians and there is certainly a real danger if people read a vague and confused post and get the wrong idea. An idea like Jesus is not God or that God is afraid of or cant handle our sins.

 

Thank you,
God Bless you,
David



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  From:  =^..^= CloudShape's tail-singeing (downstrike)    Feb-4 10:41 am  
To:  Locksheer   (19 of 61)  
 
  789.19 in reply to 789.1  
 
John 17 helps also, particularly verses 22 and 23.  It gives us Jesus' perspective when he was saying that he and the Father are one.
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   From:  =^..^= CloudShape's tail-singeing (downstrike)    Feb-4 10:49 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (20 of 61)  
 
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Thank you for making sense for a change.  I was beginning to wonder if name-calling was your only recourse.
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From:  David (DavidABrown)    Feb-4 12:04 pm  
To:  =^..^= CloudShape's tail-singeing (downstrike)    (21 of 61)  
 
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Sure,

 

Thanks for adding additional Biblical content to the discussion.

  

 

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  From:  SHEILAGIRL1    Feb-11 7:54 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (22 of 61)  
 
  789.22 in reply to 789.21  
 
Jesus is GOD. Only the Holy Spirit, thru the Word can teach them this. This is not an optional doctrine that one can choose not to believe. The very essence of salvation is believing that Jesus is GOD, to the glory of the Father!
  
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Feb-11 11:14 pm  
To:  SHEILAGIRL1    (23 of 61)  
 
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Exactly!!

 

Very well stated.

 

Where were you earlier?? :o)

 

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  From:  SHEILAGIRL1    Feb-12 8:53 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (24 of 61)  
 
  789.24 in reply to 789.23  
 
Thanks, David. Again, this is a great forum and I plan on posting here until I'm run off. LOL

The LORD bless and keep you!

  
  
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  From:  ~Sassy~ (PARRISH24)    Feb-12 8:14 pm  
To:  Locksheer   (25 of 61)  
 
  789.25 in reply to 789.1  
 
Proverbs 30:4 [NKJV]   Who has ascended into heaven, or descended?  Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is His Son's name, if you know? 

Isaiah 9:6-7 [6] For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. [7] Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. ... 

John 17:3-12   [3] Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. [4] I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. [5] And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. [6] I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word. [7] Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. [8] For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. [9] I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. [10] All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. [11] I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name--the name you gave me--so that they may be one as we are one. [12] While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.


John 17:5  And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. 

John 10:31-33  [31] Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, [32] but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"   [33] "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." 

John 10:30  "I and the Father are one." 

John 14:11  Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. 

 

 

 

 




 

 

 
 
 
 
  
  
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  From:  SHEILAGIRL1    Feb-12 8:33 pm  
To:  ~Sassy~ (PARRISH24)    (26 of 61)  
 
  789.26 in reply to 789.25  
 
Wonderful post, Parrish!
  
  
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  From:  ~Sassy~ (PARRISH24)    Feb-12 8:42 pm  
To:  SHEILAGIRL1    (27 of 61)  
 
  789.27 in reply to 789.26  
 
Thank you. I have research in  Proverbs31 you know. It makes it easier to find what we need or in Pals at times to share.


 

 

 

 
 
 
 
  
  
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  From:  SHEILAGIRL1    Feb-12 9:31 pm  
To:  ~Sassy~ (PARRISH24)    (28 of 61)  
 
  789.28 in reply to 789.27  
 
Yeah. I have my AKJV right on my desktop and several good sources otherwise there too.
  
  
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  From:  ~Sassy~ (PARRISH24)    Feb-12 10:07 pm  
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  789.29 in reply to 789.28  
 
Well I have learned to do searches in there when I do not want to search elsewhere. I did not put all the information in there to rot.


 

 

 

 
 
 
 
  
  
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  From:  SHEILAGIRL1    Feb-12 11:04 pm  
To:  ~Sassy~ (PARRISH24)    (30 of 61)  
 
  789.30 in reply to 789.29  
 
It's all good stuff, too, Sassy. I've enjoyed and benefitted from so much of it.
  
  
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  From:  ~Sassy~ (PARRISH24)    Feb-13 8:11 pm  
To:  SHEILAGIRL1    (31 of 61)  
 
  789.31 in reply to 789.30  
 
Well you have contributed to ya know. I need to find more end times discussions to put in that section.

Maybe we need to put the basics out there on the stairway as well.



 

 

 

 
 
 
 
  
  
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  From:  SHEILAGIRL1    Feb-14 10:50 am  
To:  ~Sassy~ (PARRISH24)    (32 of 61)  
 
  789.32 in reply to 789.31  
 
Good morning, my friend!

If you hang that stuff on the stairway, you might have to worry about the nasties deciding they will chime in with stuff not necessarily spiritual. You think?

  
  
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  From:  ~Sassy~ (PARRISH24)    Feb-14 7:43 pm  
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  789.33 in reply to 789.32  
 
Yeah but 2 folders are easy enough to clean up compared to 15. i want them to read Gods word out there, even some old friends too.


 

 

 

 
 
 
 
  
  
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  From:  SHEILAGIRL1    Feb-15 1:15 am  
To:  ~Sassy~ (PARRISH24)    (34 of 61)  
 
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Okay. I'll help you.
  
  
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  From:  ~Sassy~ (PARRISH24)    Feb-15 1:31 am  
To:  SHEILAGIRL1    (35 of 61)  
 
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See ya there my dear!



 

 

 
 
 
 
  
  
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  From:  SHEILAGIRL1    Feb-15 1:58 am  
To:  ~Sassy~ (PARRISH24)    (36 of 61)  
 
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You're up late!
  
  
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  From:  ~Sassy~ (PARRISH24)    Feb-15 2:02 am  
To:  SHEILAGIRL1    (37 of 61)  
 
  789.37 in reply to 789.36  
 
I have a fever! I have taken old medicine so soon hopefully I can sleep.

! Happy Birthday by the way!
 
  
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  From:  SHEILAGIRL1    Feb-15 2:51 pm  
To:  ~Sassy~ (PARRISH24)    (38 of 61)  
 
  789.38 in reply to 789.37  
 
LOL You saw my post in Pals? It's not on my profile, so I took it upon myself to announce it! LOL

Hope yer feeling better soon! Do you think it's the flu?

  
  
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  From:  ~Sassy~ (PARRISH24)    Feb-15 8:01 pm  
To:  SHEILAGIRL1    (39 of 61)  
 
  789.39 in reply to 789.38  
 
Yes. I am so Thankful for the grace of Jesus, His love and faithfulness and His healing power. God is so awesome to us flawed humans!



 

 

 
 
 
 
  
  
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   From:  SHEILAGIRL1    Feb-15 8:15 pm  
To:  ~Sassy~ (PARRISH24)    (40 of 61)  
 
  789.40 in reply to 789.39  
 
He is that and more! We live and move and have our being in him! 

"Wonderful grace of Jesus! Greater than all my sins!
How shall the tongue describe it? Where shall His praise begin?
Taking away my burden, setting my spirit free!
Oh the wonderful grace of Jesus reaches me!"

  
  
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From:  ~Sassy~ (PARRISH24)    Feb-15 11:20 pm  
To:  SHEILAGIRL1    (41 of 61)  
 
  789.41 in reply to 789.40  
 
I love that song and many old hymns and new praise and worship songs. So uplifting!



 

 

 
 
 
 
  
  
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  From:  SHEILAGIRL1    Feb-16 12:52 pm  
To:  ~Sassy~ (PARRISH24)    (42 of 61)  
 
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Then you'll like this site! It has them all! 
 


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  From:  MSplits   Feb-20 2:25 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (43 of 61)  
 
  789.43 in reply to 789.10  
 
Let's see how the Bible actually uses the word "one". 
Gen. 2: 24 (Matt. 19: 5; Mark 10: 8; 1 Cor. 6: 16; Eph. 5: 31; D&C 49: 16; Moses 3: 24; Abr. 5: 18) they shall be one flesh. 
Gen. 11: 6 the people is one, 
Ezek. 37: 17 they shall become one in thine hand. 
John 10: 16 one fold, and one shepherd. 
John 10: 30 I and my Father are one. 
John 17: 11 (John 17: 22) that they may be one, as we are. 
John 17: 21 they all may be one . . . that they also may be one in us. 
Acts 1: 14 (Acts 15: 25) continued with one accord in prayer. 
Acts 4: 32 them that believed were of one heart and of one soul. 
Acts 17: 26 hath made of one blood all nations of men. 
Rom. 12: 5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ. 
1 Cor. 6: 17 he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. 

Eph. 4: 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism. 
Philip. 1: 27 stand fast in one spirit, with one mind. 
1 Tim. 2: 5 there is one God, and one mediator. 

"!Notice it says one God, AND one mediator!" 

Heb. 2: 11 he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one. 
1 Jn. 5: 7 the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 

It says there are three, and then it says that these three are one. It says that those who are joined in the Lord are one spirit. Clearly this is a spiritual type of Oneness, and not one of substance and being. 

Let's stick with the Bible here. The Bible never says "Trinity", and never says "one of substance" nor does it say that Jesus and the Father are "one of being". 

Isaiah's revelations are directly teaching against the worship of false idols. Jehovah tells them not to worship graven images, and their carvings are worthless. Their gods do not save them. This is the context of Isaiah's book, and often his words are misused. 

 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Feb-20 8:43 pm  
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You are aware that the Bible uses different words for the English word one.

 

Sometimes it is referring to One group and another word is used for Exclusive One and what about the word Elohiem it is a Plural Name of God.

 

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  From:  kasl2   Mar-16 3:02 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (45 of 61)  
 
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Hey David... 
I'm new at learning scripture, but does the bible say somewhere, that Jesus said he and the Father are one? I take that to mean, that he was saying he is god in the human form...Right? 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Mar-16 3:15 pm  
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Hi,

 

Excellent insight.

 

Yes, Jesus said exactly that and taken in context with other statements of Jesus saying that He is not of this world that He has always existed and will always exist. Plus considering His Virgin birth His Miracles His Wisdom, Understanding and other Divine attributes like accepting the Worship of others and forgiving the Sins of people, also calling people sons it is evident that Jesus knew full well and presented Himself as God  One with the Father.

 

Welcome to the forum.

 

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  From:  kasl2   Mar-16 3:22 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (47 of 61)  
 
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Thanks for replying so fast. I understand that alot of people who dont really understand the word, tell new or backsliding christians doctrines that only confuse. I myself was saved in the late 80s,had years of backsliding, and giving up. I listened to too many people who didnt know, or even care what they were talking about. These days, I am becomming more choosy who I listen to, as there are so many out there who only want to confuse...(another tool of the Devil), 
and it seems to me, that if one truly is seeking the truth, God shows him/her the way, and there is then no confusion at all...God isnt confusing...we are. 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Mar-16 3:28 pm  
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Very true,

 

And I would totally agree that the only truth is the Bible. It is of utmost importance that any Christian read the Bible and read it daily.

 

Reading the Bible

Prayer  Praising, Listening to God, and talking to God, requests,

Fellowship Christian fellowship  Church attendance

Service  Serving God and other people

 

Are the cornerstones to a healthy growing and maturing Christian life.

 

Your posts are Excellent!!

 

God Bless you,
David A. Brown

 



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  From:  kasl2   Mar-16 3:40 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (49 of 61)  
 
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well....i dont know about posting excellent...as i said b4, not well versed in scripture yet, but my faith is where it should be. 
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Mar-16 4:21 pm  
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Your doing fine!!

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  From:  THOR (Sprachelieb)    Apr-11 10:53 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (51 of 61)  
 
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Is your native language not English? For that can be the only reason that you have perceived that person proclaiming themself to be God... 
  
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  From:  THOR (Sprachelieb)    Apr-11 11:01 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (52 of 61)  
 
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Jesus is not God. He is the Son of God. As His Son, Jesus is Holy and He has incredible power, however He is not the Father who art in Heaven. A human son will take on his father's characteristics, just as the Son took on his Father's. Also: 
Luke 9:35... 

"And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, 'This is My beloved Son. Hear Him!' " 

Mark 16:19... 
"So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God." 

If Jesus is God, then who was it that spoke out of the cloud and at whose right hand does He sit?
 
  
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  From:  THOR (Sprachelieb)    Apr-11 11:06 pm  
To:  =^..^= CloudShape's tail-singeing (downstrike)    (53 of 61)  
 
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Being "One" does not exactly mean "the same". 
For example, think of Kennedy's "Ich bin ein Berliner". This does not mean "I am a Berliner (donought), but rather "I am one with the Berliners, i.e. the Berliners and I are one".
 
  
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  From:  THOR (Sprachelieb)    Apr-11 11:08 pm  
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Jesus is the Son of God sent by Him to preach His Word. He is not the Father, but rather the Son. We pray to God through Jesus, His Son. 
  
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  From:  =^..^= CloudShape's tail-singeing (downstrike)    Apr-12 12:45 am  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Apr-12 8:33 am  
To:  THOR (Sprachelieb)    (56 of 61)  
 
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Then in the same sense you are in no way a human or an Indian or whatever you are. If you are separate from your father you are not what your father is.

 

Jesus is God just as is Father is and just as we are human because our father is a human.

 

 

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  From:  THOR (Sprachelieb)    Apr-12 12:01 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (57 of 61)  
 
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If you are separate from your father you are not what your father is. 
I am not my father, I am my own person. Would you claim to be your father? 

Jesus is God just as is Father is and just as we are human because our father is a human 

This analogy implies one of two things: 

1). A human being and his or her father are in fact not two separate human beings, but rather one human being. 

or 

2). There are in fact two Gods, the Father and the Son (which doesn't exactly make Christianity monotheistic) 

Please show me a passage in the Bible where Jesus claims to be the Father in heaven and/or claims to be God (rather than Lord). 

God Bless, 
Jeff 

p.s. I hope you had a wonderful Easter :-)
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Apr-12 1:21 pm  
To:  THOR (Sprachelieb)    (58 of 61)  
 
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Jesus claims to be the Physical manifestation of the Spiritual God the Father.

 

It has already been pointed out about five times in this topic alone that Jesus said I and the Father are one

 

You have chosen to say that one does not mean one and therefore to sustain your own interpretation.

 

There are not multiple Gods only one in a visible (Jesus) and a Spiritual (Father) and an Omnipresent (Holy Spirit) condition.

 

For certain God our creator is bigger, more capable and more complex than we are so I hope you are not trying to make God out to be less than a human is.

 

God Bless you,
David

 



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    Apr-12 6:18 pm  
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Also as you have pointed out you and your father are not one but Jesus and His Father are one and there is defiantly a difference in that.

 

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   From:  THOR (Sprachelieb)    Apr-12 9:18 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (60 of 61)  
 
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Again, there is linguistic vagueness in "one". Jesus and His Father are One. However, a human and his father can also said to be "one", yet we recognize they are separate entities. 
What do you say about Jesus sitting at the right hand of God, and also of God speaking of Jesus as "His beloved Son". 

Is God therefore His own Father and Son?
 
  
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From:  David (DavidABrown)    Apr-13 6:58 am  
To:  THOR (Sprachelieb)    (61 of 61)  
 
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We cannot be one in any real senses with our fathers because we are both physical beings.

 

Jesus and His Father are one. Jesus is also pre-existent, eternal, immortal, Resurrected, seated in heaven, a miracle worker, prophet, divine and many other things that you and I are not.

 

God Bless you,
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